I'm sure there are certain things we would like to change with the past series for the better. What I would do is replace most of the non-RWS stories from Series 3 and 5 to either include stories with realistic situations or with RWS stories that are easy to film in terms of money. I'd also have Angelis narrate the series up until and including Series 7 and work Carlin's schedule around so he can narrate Series 5 as well. Plus ITV would show Series 4 between 1995 and 1996.
I think Bear should've been included, among other characters. He would've been a lot better than Emily IMO. A story that could've been adapted to replace Diesel Does it Again could've been Thomas and the Evil Diesel, and another Series (maybe half a Series, like Series 5 RWS and Series 5.5 TV) to include some more RWS stories, possibly with more characters.
The only thing I would change is NOT having HiT take over. No disrespect towards them, but I prefer the quality of the series prior to Series 8. I'm sure I'm not alone. Ah well, I'm anxiously awaiting Series 17!
I think that the connections with the Other Railway should have been included, especially the fact that Talyllyn and Flying Scotsman are Skarloey and Gordon's brothers respectively.
Also, City of Truro and Flying Scotsman were never named when they visited Sodor, whereas Stepney became a sort of adopted character; I always think that people, animals and/or objects are most commonly identified by their names, and that if you have no name, then you're just nothing (literally!).
I also think the inclusion of the Arlesdale and Culdee Fell railways should have been put into place, for the Skarloey railway and the NWR were already in place by the end of season 4.
If I could change the show's history, I would probably start by making sure Thomas and the Magic Railroad was either not green-lighted, or revamped beyond current recognition so that it would have been successful.
I'd have also made it so that Thomas did not take the approach it began to do starting from series 6 (The first season where I noticed something of a drop in quality when it first launched). I don't mean I'd ditch the idea of a writing team, but probably make the stories a bit less moralistic and a bit more edgy like Series 5.
The CGI change was inevitable, so I wouldn't go about changing that. Imagine how much fun the Nitrogen Studios team would have with more action-packed episodes to animate? And imagine if there was still a railway consultant to give the writers ideas? It would be one of the greatest kids shows on TV.
If this thread had existed in '06, we'd probably have lots of posts with people saying they'd get rid of Emily. but what I'd have done would be choose a different engine class for her, and that'd be it. Aside from that, Emily is not really a problem at all. I'd do the same with the likes of Hank, make him an S160, and make it so that all characters were used to their full potential, unless they are visitors.
Post by orangepastille on Feb 1, 2012 23:15:02 GMT
I kind of like the idea of speculating an alternative season 3, where Britt & David never considered writing their own material and stuck to the RWS like the previous two seasons. That's not to say I didn't like their own work, but imagine if season 3 was done in the vain of season 2; I'm sure that style would have suited the Enterprising Engines story arc very well. I'd envisage it using all the stories from the book. Naturally Oliver the Western Engine would also form a part of this alt season. I don't know why but I just think the 'atmosphere' of season 2 would have suited these books far better than the real season 3, which was bright and bubbly but not quite on a par with its predecessor.
I would've put "Henry and the Elephant" in Series 1, and "Bull's Eyes" in Series 2 so that all the stories from "Troublesome Engines" and "Branch Line Engines" would follow the same order on screen. Also, I would've included Isabel in "Escape" for the third series. I never really understood why she was excluded from the story.
If I were to change the show's history, I would at first have some sort of compromise take place between the Awdries, Britt Allcroft and David Mitton. Perhaps Wilbert or Christopher could have written a few stories especially for the TV series. Not to say that Allcroft and Mitton's ideas were all bad - they churned out some good episodes of their own - but if there was a compromise, things like the 'Henry's Forest' controversy might have been avoided.
I understand that a lot of Wilbert and Christopher's remaining stories had new characters which would have been expensive, but they also had stories with the original core set of characters which could have been used, such as 'Toby, Trucks and Trouble', 'Thomas and the Twins' and maybe even some of the Annual Stories.
As for the TV Series of now, I'm pleased to say that, whilst Britt Allcroft and David Mitton did not have quite as much understanding of railways as the Awdries, even their efforts were better than the current TV series. If such a thing was possible, I would have kept them on the Series, along with David Maidment. Yes, I know there were a few clangers in Series 5, but Maidment managed to keep things reasonably realistic. Not to mention the episodes were still entertaining and not too moralistic.
If I had to change the shows history, it would be that Britt Allcroft and David Mitton stayed on and wrtoe their stories after series 5. They knew the characters well and the stories gave the characters equel screentime. Thomas wasn't shoehorned into every episode under their helm and they did do some very interesting stories.
Hmm for me I would have liked to have had the Flying Scottman really appear and not just his tenders. The Magic Railroad would have never happened but I still would have had a big screen Thomas film just one that was more true to Thomas and Friends itself.
Also for season five they could have kept some of the non railway stories but the other half of the season I would have had stories from the railway series of engines who never appeared on screen I mean I know it would have been a little expensive so they wouldn't have to do each and every story but maybe they could combine 2 into 1 or something like that. Look how it is now I mean each season they get a group of new engines and characters anyway (granted half of them are only in like 1 or 2 episodes but still) and now with the cgi it wouldn't be as expensive to have those characters in the show now.
Oh and I definitely would change the writing style from season 8 until now!
Post by culdeeskarloey1988 on Feb 9, 2012 0:24:46 GMT
Personally, I think the stories in Seasons 1-2 where situated perfectly. Season 3 needs some adjustments. The stories were good. But, I'd put more Railway Series stories in it. As for Seasons 4 and 5, 4 was great! The Narrow Gauge Engine models and Seneries were beautiful! In Season 5, I would've introduced the Small Railway engines. TATMR would have never existed. Series 6 would see, Wilbert, Jock, Barry, and Ivo Hugh... Then when Season 7 came, I would've let them make their own stories with tiny bits of Railways series stories and elements here and there. Same thing with Series 8-11. Series 12-16... CGI, yes.
How I'd have it done, I'd have Christopher Awdry as part of the staff as well, not only that, but he would have full creative control of the series! I'd not do Thomas and the Magic Railroad, and some of the series 5 and 6 episodes would be done a bit differently. Series 7 would see the TV series debut of the Culdee Fell Mountain Railway, as well as Bear and Ol' Stuck-up. Thomas would get his front redone so his buffers would be level, and Donald and Douglas would get their blue liveries. The series would also feature Stanley, but he'd be on the Skarloey Railway instead of the Mid Sodor. He would be based on the same American prototype, and while he does ride a bit rough, he's not nearly as reckless as Smudger, and he proves to be very useful.
Post by arnoldthomasfan95 on Jan 4, 2013 23:46:43 GMT
Well this is the alternative story of Production. The TV show would of been called the Rev. W. Awdry's Railway Stories over Thomas & Friends and this is the alternitive production history.
Season 1 had the same film quality but was 100% accurate adaptations of The first 8 books with 33 stories. Filmed 1983 to early 1984 Aired fall 1984 to winter 1985
Season 2 No Christopher Awdry stories with 100% accurate adaptations of books 9 to 13 (Book 14 a later season), books 15 & 16 concluded with Book 26 Tramway Engines 32 stories. Filmed 1985 to early 1986. Aired Fall 1986 to Winter 1987.
Season 3 was 100% Railway Series loyal and made earlier with Ringo Star as the Narrater. Books 14, 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23, & 24 made. Mike Rex & Bert use same track as Skarloey & Rheneas near Ducks Branch Line. 28 episodes and 1 TV special (Enterprising Engines) filmed 1987 to early 1988. Aired fall 1988 to winter 1989. TV series ends with a 1990 TV special aired near christmas called Duke the Lost Engine which is a accurate film adaptation of the book. Narrated By Ringo Star. Filmed 1989.
After that the show got cancelled off production and ITV. Got printed on to legal VHS tapes. And Britt Allcroft and David Mitton moved on to other projects. and Thomas became a 1980s only classic on TV in the United Kingdom and 1990s only classic outside like The United States, France, Germany, & Japan
I would change the decision on the large scale models of the narrow gauge engines. I mean, I know why they did it, but I was shocked when I first saw Rusty and let me tell you, I wasn't the same as a kid (considering they made his face unnecessarily big, rather, they should've done it like in Season 12 for crying out loud)... Not to mention their personalities were altered as well as something unexpected.... If they didn't do it, then just leave them be, because then we could've had more interactions between the narrow gauge engines and standard gauge characters more intriguing in a way.
Oh and remove the Steam Team. If it's one thing that's not needed, it's the latter. I mean, it's called 'Thomas and Friends', not Thomas and the Steam Team. More ironically, the current/recent seasons focus more on Thomas showing up, which pretty much shoves the other characters (including those in the Steam Team) in the background. That's pretty much it for me...
Change the original contract so that it stipulated that the first five seasons needed to be adapted directly from Awdry material, instead of only the first two.
This would mean that more of the untelevised episodes would have been adapted (or had a greater chance of being adapted) - including characters that never made it to the screen (eg: Bear, Arlesdale Engines, Ivo Hugh, etc), and may have required further Railway Series books to be created to draw from.
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-Keep The Missing Coach in the line up of Season 2 and make it a 27-episode series
-Move scrapped episodes like Gordon Goes Foreign and Tender Engines over to season 4-6 where the budgets would likely be enough to make these episodes
-Keep Sodor as an explicity British island instead of this place that seems to be near England one season, in an undefined location in later seasons, and then suddenly make it near a distinctly American setting
-Keep David Maidment for season 6 as originally intended
-Adapt Super Rescue, because I think Edward the Very Useful Engine in season 6 proved that this kind of episode can be done without having to build huge sets. Just keep Spamcan and Bear's trains down to lengths within the spacing limits of a TV series set. --And by extension, establish Bear as a member of the secondary cast --199 could likely be substituted with 261
-Stop Thomas and the Magic Railroad from being made. When push comes to shove, even with the original script, it was very ambitious and was probably doomed from the start
-Feature the Other Railway more, just redress existing sets to look like a new location ( e.g. Tidmouth Station in Escape)
-Make sure Ivo Hugh and Fred are introduced as characters on the Skarloey Railway, but they don't need to be introduced at the same time as the rest of the Narrow Gauge railway
-Like what Stuart7 said, try to use Annual and Railway Series stories that use members of the core cast so as not to build so many new models
-Keep certain non Awdry episodes, mainly the ones that gave more focus to characters like Oliver, George, The Scottish Twins, etc to supplement the Awdry stories
jimzebmk1: Genuinely devastated to hear of Michael Angelis' passing. Such a huge part of my childhood, as I'm sure he was for everyone here. RIP Michael, you will be sorely missed by us all. Job well done, and thanks again for everything you did.
May 31, 2020 10:49:37 GMT
North Star: Very sorry to hear of his passing, my condolences to those who were closet to him.
May 31, 2020 13:03:45 GMT
9: I'm not sure if now is an appropriate time to mention this, but I would also like to announce that I have raised £416.225 for the Bluebell Railway, by virtually rowing the distance of the English Channel.
May 31, 2020 15:45:03 GMT
Loganthe9f51: Really sorry about Michael, but 9, that's awesome!
May 31, 2020 22:17:21 GMT
engineerrailman: I'm very sorry for the loss of a Narrator. I never grew up with his narrations (due to being an American) but he he is
May 31, 2020 23:27:36 GMT
engineerrailman: pretty good. (Sorry I cut off for some reason)
May 31, 2020 23:28:18 GMT
Sleeper Agent: Gotta say Ringo will always be may fave but Michael was a most worthy successor and likewise sad that he has gone. Btw Engineerrailman you can edit and delete shouts on Probaords if you wish to combine the two.
May 31, 2020 23:42:29 GMT
Zack (Hufflepuff Batboy): There's something that keeps puzzling me; was Michael Angelis born in 1944 or 1952? I've always believed it was the latter, but some sources have said it's the former.
Jun 1, 2020 23:41:09 GMT
Zorgoth: Shared my condolences in the TV Series Discussion board; think I'm gonna watch some classic Thomas UK episodes on YT to remember Mr. Angelis by
Jun 2, 2020 0:31:52 GMT
Sleeper Agent: 1952. Not sure who published he was 76 first but The Guardian or otherwise he was 68.
Jun 2, 2020 8:20:35 GMT
Madness: Michael Angelis was always my favourite narrator. He gave a lot of great voices and he could always give you a good laugh at parts of his narration. R.I.P Michael Angelis .
Jun 2, 2020 19:24:54 GMT