Really wasn't expecting this one. Very sad news. He had one of those magical voices you could happily listen to recite a phone directory - it was so gentle and soothing. RIP Mr. Barrie, and thanks for the memories.
Post by WhitehouseFilms on Jul 29, 2016 12:11:17 GMT
One thing I notice a while back when researching the show, it seemed Ivor modelled Pat to resemble Ken if you compare this image of him with the puppet. Hope you don't mind me using your image for this, Chris.
Apart from his long nose and tall head, there is a resemblance. It will be hard to watch the show again after this sad news but at least Ken is now at Peace and has left us with many great stories and songs from the show. Once again, Thank you Ken for everything.
Another big figure from my childhood gone. That's sad. Ken Barrie was a great narrator for Postman Pat and it certainly wouldn't have been the same without him. He was even good in the role of Granny Dryden.
Post by Rusty Red Scrap Iron on Jul 30, 2016 10:58:03 GMT
Its sad that the voice of Pat himself; Ken Barrie, has left us. Postman Pat was and shall always be one of my top 5 favourite childhood shows, along with the likes of Thomas, Fireman Sam and Superted that I watched before I started watching shows like Power Rangers.
But like so many before him, Ken leaves an unforgettable legacy and we'll never forget the original voice of the nations favourite Postman. Forevermore Shall You Rest In Peace Ken Barrie.
Post by WhitehouseFilms on Dec 7, 2016 22:56:11 GMT
So the new series of Postman Pat SDS is now on CBeebies and they have released a small page in their grown-ups part of the main website where we get to see the Behind the scenes of the show. Very interesting and good to know that the original buildings from series 1-2 have survived well enough to be used for the current series. www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/grownups/postman-pat-behind-the-scenes
I was having a think a while ago about the basis for Pat's van. Many considered a Bedford van to be a suitable choice but then I came across the Lambretta Willam Voiturette which has a very close resemblance to the van we see in the show.
Ivor Wood spent some time in France helping Serge Danot with The Magic Roundabout so my theory is that he may have based Pats van on this particular van. Mind you, these vans have very loud engines so in fictional theory, Garner Bridge PO where looking for a small but reliable piece of transport to travel along the small twiney lanes of Greendale, saw one of these vans going second hand, replaced the engine with a Cowley engine (Ted Glen, I think, had one lying around his workshop that he got from Pencaster) for more quieter running. And then after refurbishing the body work to have two opening back doors, it was given a coat of Royal Mail red paint. As they were currently waiting on Royal Mail to provide them with a decal logo they had a basic crown temporary painted to show purpose the van had for the community. Well thats my theory of it anyway.
EDIT: Just found this image of a red one with fitting number plate. All it needs is some side panels and Royal Mail logo.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see more new Postman Pat episodes on Cbeebies, a few years since we last had new episodes. And I'm also pleased they're still sticking with stop motion, and the CGI for the film was just a one-off.
I watched the first episode of the newest series, "Postman Pat and the Cornish Caper" out of curiosity, and, meh. The series definitely still has some of its original charm, but its also definitely lost some of its original charm. There were lovely details like the use of Cornwall as a location, and the appearance of Ted's cousin Ned Glen, but it all felt a bit earnest and not as effortlessly charming as the Cunliffe originals. I'm hardly making a new point here, since you could say the same about most of the episodes of the last fifteen years, but I get the feeling that no-one's quite sure what to do with Postman Pat. After a couple of years of not making any new episodes they bring the show back again without any changes. Slightly staggeringly (to me) Special Delivery Service itself is now eight years old, which is probably longer than most Cbeebies shows run for. I wonder how long it's going to last for.
For the moment at least I'm charmed that it's still ongoing with a continuation of the original team, and some of the buildings in the sets dating all the way back to 1981. John Cunliffe and Ivor Wood both getting their names in the opening credits is nice too.
I have young relatives who love Postman Pat. He now has a Helicopter, airplane and other vehicles. Since when did a Postman need a helicopter and an airplane? It seems Postman Pat like Thomas now, has to rely on toy sales. Interesting they're not creating new human characters but have decided to give Pat vehicles.
Post by WhitehouseFilms on Dec 8, 2016 11:51:00 GMT
Well I have checked out the new series and even though there are some items which are hard to move on with, At least they are trying to capture the original feel, just with a modernized feel to it. But then it all depends on whether the children like it. And if they do which I've seen and even my 2 year old Niece does (New or old) then I'd just let things be.
Besides, I've devised a small game with SDS which you guys can have a go as well. See if you can spot any prop that was seen in the original series (Series 1-2). So far I've spotted Jess's series 2 puppet, Sarah-Ann, one of Pat's original Birthday cards and just recently, the MRK 1 Super speed Postal Scooter. Have a go and see what you might find.
I met the producer of CBeebies, Sarah Legg, a few weeks back when my work was holding a Christmas Dinner for the cast and crew. She happened to work with the team of Postman Pat and after a small chat about the show informed me that, and you'll be pleased to know, that Postman Pat will NOT be going full CGI in the coming future and they will do their best to have the Stop motion animation remain a big part of the show's production.
The two books often used as set dressing in the post office were not specially made props but actual mini books you could buy at the time.
The Teddy Bears On a Lark (originally released in 1907) and the Little Poetry Book (looks to be of a similar vintage) were republished in the late 1970's as part of the "Mighty Midget Miniatures" series by Merrimack. Each was about 5x4cm in size.
Sam apparently stocks a German brand of biscuits in his shop. A quick Google shows they're real and still being produced to this day. Whether or not the above was just a coincidence, the name Waldron is actually Germanic in origin:
It was the surname of a 1609 immigrant from England, which was in turn derived from the Old-English forename Waleron or Waleran. Waleran was itself derived from the Old German Walahram or Waleram , a name compounded from the words wald meaning power and eran meaning raven. That name originated in Germany before the Norman conquest of England in 1066 and was one of many old German names brought to England with the army of William the Conqueror.
One question though. What does Mr Gilbertson and Mrs Pringle look like? No mention has ever been made towards them. Same goes for Mrs Selby.
I seem to remember hearing another theory about Fireman Sam really being Norman's Dad for this same reason as this. No mention has been made towards him but I say if Sarah and James's parents could appear after so long than so can Norman's Dad I suppose.
Post by WhitehouseFilms on Jan 15, 2017 21:16:46 GMT
I think it might have something to do with an old Parody of the show sometime back in which Pat seemed to be voiced by Boyce From Only Fools.
Anyway, Yesterday I stumbled across the Korean version of the show which goes by the title 'Thank you Uncle Postman Pat' Although it doesn't have Bryan Daly's famous theme tune and music, it had quite a good cast. I really like the sound of ted and Alf's voices.
When the Cosgrove Halll version was shown the theme tune was kept in for it.
After hearing this I was interested on seeing what the Japanese dub would sound like. Now I could only find the theme tune but I have found a site which shows some episodes but I would have to set up an account in order to see them so thats a miss. Here is the Japanese version of the opening titles.
But what I did find though was, like Thomas and TUGS, Japan released some very well detailed toys for Postman Pat a post van set and Sam Walden's mobil shop set. charaminicarbase.blog102.fc2.com/blog-date-201006.html Be something for fans to look out for while visiting Japan. It kind of reminds me of the Dapol toy that was supposed to have been released but am unsure whether it did or not.
Post by WhitehouseFilms on Feb 8, 2017 0:09:47 GMT
I have been thinking recently about which episodes did animator Derek Mogford took over from Ivor in Series 1. He is credited as the animator but I'm guessing Ivor also animated the series at some point. For looking at the series again I think Ivor animated from Ep1-5 and Derek Ep6-13. To notice this is to look at Ivor's previous Stop motion such as the Wobbles. With Ivor's animation the way the legs move have a certain waddle to them but with Derek's the knees bend which makes walking look real. But Ivor's waddling Pat held a different story. The puppet's legs had one shorter than the other and thus gives Pat a limp when he walks. Derek mightn't have put this in when he finished animating the 1st series but brought it back during the specials. How Pat got the limp is a mystery but then I remembered a line which Alf Thompson said:
"That (A walking stick)will be good for keeping dogs off" - S1 EP3
So with that mentioned it is now believed that Pat must have at some point been attacked by a dog resulting him walking with a limp from then on.
Another thing which I have noticed is the way series 1&2 and specials are all set in a different time line.
Series 1 takes place in 1 whole year
Spring: Finding day Magpie Hen Birthday Rainy day Sheep in the clover field
Summer: Tractor express Thirsty day
Autumn: Windy day Foggy Day Difficult day
Winter Goes Sledging Letters on Ice Takes a Message (January/February)
The specials also share the same method.
Spring: Takes the bus
Summer: Toy Soldiers Tuba
Winter Barometer (December)
And for Series 2 it is set somewhere between the Spring and Summer.
You can also tell when the time has passed by the way Jess appears too. In series 1 Jess appears to be at his kitten years but after the 'Thirsty day' episode he appears to be more older as his fur is more groomed. This could also be due to his puppet being smartened up but lets not spoil the magic in the specials Jess is now in his early adult years, his fur is well cared for and looks very smart. When Series two came around we see Jess has gotten older, he has more fur than before as well as some white around the eyes. But in the 'Follows a trail' episode it still shows that Jess may be old but he still has energy in him if he is able to beat Pat to any destination throughout the episode.
Like with the Rev W Awdry, John Cunliffe also created a bit of history for his fictional village of Greendale which include a few tales from the past, projects which are referenced in Series 3, other residents of Greendale and we also find out what the Reverend Timms' REAL name is and for the record, it is not Timothy nor Peter. But I'll save that for another time.
Where can you read this history WhitehouseFilms? Sounds very interesting. I would like to read that. One thing that I find mysterious in the new series is Mr Pringle's absence. We know he isn't in the show any more but his son Charlie is. SO it's very odd he appears yet his father doesn't. Makes you think where Mr Pringle can be. Come to think of it, I wonder if anything has been said about the missing character's absence.
Post by WhitehouseFilms on Feb 12, 2017 13:49:35 GMT
I'm not sure exactly on why this was so but hopefully it will be explained somewhere in the series on where he's gone. Even I questioned on where he went when SDS started but think it might be something to do with the children moving up a grade resulting in a new teacher. You know how things were like when we were in school. I think the school has more than one classroom but I'm not sure exactly. It says in the original books that the school has a headmaster and Mr Pringle was just one of the teachers teaching there.
In regards to history, I found some bits of history of Greendale in the book Postman Pat's Story Box. It was this book that the special Postman Pat & the Greendale Rocket was based off. This includes info on how the post was delivered in the olden days, Greendale having it's own preserved railway, some characters as children and the reveal of Reverend Timms' real name. For a brief plot of the book, Pat digs out the old story box that his family kept and each chapter of the book an item is taken out which tells a story.
This is one of the illustrations from the book which talks about the postmen in the olden days and the train behind him is meant to be based on an Adams class.
I had a copy of the Postman Pat's Story Box book when I was little and really enjoyed it. As soon as I saw your picture I recognised it as "Postman Don and his big dog Ron". (Unless I've got that the wrong way round.)
I also always thought it was really cool that the Greendale Rocket special was written by John Cunliffe and based on a couple of the stories he'd written from that book. It gave a nice feeling of authenticity to the 2003 series even without Ivor Wood.
Absolutely fascinating. Always wondered why Mr Pottage was never around. I bet the budget was the reason why he never appeared on the show. The original George Lancaster I'm guessing would have been hard to make a model of. Peter Fogg's original personality is interesting too. He ended up with his motor bike in the end.
Can;t wait to see part 2 of this article. I would love to hear about how the character were going to be originally. I wonder if it will mention Dr Gilbert's husband and PC Selby's wife. Those people are never mentioned on the show.
On a side note you can read about an unused Charlie Chalk character on that website..
PercyFan1998: I think for me the issue is one of inconsistency. They took down the restored versions that have the highest quality image but will leave the lower-quality uploads all over the place.
May 7, 2021 0:37:55 GMT
zeldatheswordsm: Except that if you put it that way, it is consistent: They're specifically targeting the higher-picture-quality restored versions. Because gee, what's up on the streaming services and for sale on new-pressed disks? The restored versions
May 7, 2021 1:07:23 GMT
zeldatheswordsm: They're trying to force you to head to the paid options if you want to get the good picture quality.
May 7, 2021 1:09:31 GMT
zeldatheswordsm: Of course, in some ways the joke's on them because a lot of those restorations have worse editing and/or use inferior takes compared to the broadcast/VHS versions.
May 7, 2021 1:10:48 GMT
zeldatheswordsm: IMO Mattel would profit a lot more if they slashed the merch licensing fees. They were damagingly high even by the time of buyout, and have gotten worse since. And the bloated price tags have been definitely hurting sales from what I've seen.
May 7, 2021 1:16:28 GMT
zeldatheswordsm: Sales of a lot of the Bachmann Thomas rolling stock seemed to plummet as the prices jacked up based on the discontinuations (And I suspect the same hit the Hornby range even worse). And the Wooden Railway range had vanished from non-TRU bigbox stores (tbc)
May 7, 2021 1:21:53 GMT
zeldatheswordsm: in my area by 2015, and its shelf presence had been shrinking leading up to then. Thomas' shelf presence in general seems to have diminished a fair bit, and I imagine this is the cause. HiT and Mattel failing at distribution of the show can't have helped
May 7, 2021 1:24:55 GMT
toadthegwrbrakevan: HiT actually distributed the show very well in my opinion, good merchandise, Thomas was definitely more popular and well-to-do during the Miller era than during BWBA or today. But I agree for everything else, I'm curious about what you say about TWR,
May 7, 2021 2:53:36 GMT
toadthegwrbrakevan: growing up, the bigbox store never sold TWR, I could only get it at Barnes & Noble or Toys'R'Us, it was too expensive for Walmart or Target, that was Trackmaster territory.
May 7, 2021 2:54:29 GMT
zeldatheswordsm: For a while, Target and Mall Wart actually did stock it and decently. At least where I am. But that was in decline. Probably didn't help that Thomas-size engines were around $15
May 7, 2021 4:35:16 GMT
zeldatheswordsm: And I mean that HiT did a poor job distributing the show itself - the actual episodes. They got complacent about seeking alternatives to PBSKids even as viewing there (and govt. support) slipped into decline - and Mattel continued this complacency.
May 7, 2021 4:43:59 GMT
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May 7, 2021 11:04:07 GMT
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May 7, 2021 15:39:19 GMT
harperman: I Thought it a very good ERS Volume
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harperman: I Am reading the entire ERS Library to gain a better understanding of it and its universe before attempting to try my hand at becoming an ERS Writer myself : D
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